Ok as promised girls here's my log of successful Clomid twins!
I am using the questions gonna try for two posted in the first part of this forum.
How long have you been ttctwins?
3 months the first two were unsuccessful due to I was drinking Fenugreek tea (unaware if inhibited fertility)to keep up my milk supply for my infant son. The firs cycle I wa not trying for twins and so did no supplements. The second cycle I used the indictable Gonal F and an Ovidrel shot. The third I stopped the tea it was the first round of clomid, we got BFP
Which days did you take Clomid?
I took Clomid at 9:30pm days 6-11
What dose did you take?
I took 150mg Clomid
When did you O?
my cervix didn't change like I expected it to and I never caught it on opk but we expect it was around June 7th CD 21, 10 days after Clomid.
What days did you BD?
lots lol CDs 18, 19, 20, 21, 22. I am wondering if I Oed way before that like CD 16, 5 days after Clomid ,we BD then also alot just for fun but the dates match up better with the U/S if it was then.
I was unmonitored.
When did you get your BFP? June 14th CD 28
Questionnaire out of the way this is what happened and my theory of what caused what.
though the cycle before clomid was a BFN I believe that using the Gonal F as sporadically as I did( I missed a few days and didn't do it at the right time some days "confused" my body enough, so that when i did the next cycle and was adamant about times and doses with the clomid the old ovaries just did what they were told. which means perhaps even the no baby making Fenugreek tea helped also.
so the months leading up to my twins BFP
1. I was drinking tea that was basically birth control
2. Injecting Gonal F telling my body it should be making eggies
3. Breastfeeding my son, upping Prolactin and blocking Estrogen
I got my soy from GNC (vitamin and nutrition store)$11
the bottle says
Soy Isoflavones concentrate 100mg
34% Isoflavones = 34mg
CD1 was may 18th just started ad 8:30pm took 204 mg Isoflavones
CD2 full AF -- 204 mg Isoflavones (six capsules) @7am and spent the day in the yard.
CD3 = 204 mg Isoflavones @ 7am spent the morning in the sun.
DC4 = 204 mg Isoflavones @ 7am it was overcast but i definitely feeling something going on in the ovaries.
CD5 = 204 mg Isoflavones @7 am OK ovaries are sensitive and any kind of jarring motion is kinda painful.
CD6 = 204 mg Isoflavones @ 7 am still a little uncomfortable but nothing to dramatic. At 9pm took 150mg clomid.
CD7 = 150mg Clomid at 9pm.
CD8 = 150mg Clomid at 9:15pm. less uncomfortable now.
CD9 = 150mg Clomid at 9:15pm. still no side effects.
CD10 = 150mg Clomid at 9:15pm.
CD11 = A last "boost" at 7am took 204 mg Isoflavones. today is the last night of Clomid. 150mg at 9:15.
CD12 = 1st day of OPKs: -OPK. CLOMID SIDE EFFECTS: I have had hot flashes the last two nights when I get up to feed DS.
CD1Cervix = LS
CD2Cervix = LS
CD3Cervix = LS
CD4Cervix = MLM (AF ended late CD3) CM = watery cloudy and more than I normally have (Noticed when BD for "practice")
CD5Cervix = MLM CM = same
CD6Cervix = MLM CM = same
CD7Cervix = MLM CM = noticeably thicker
CD8Cervix = MLM CM = same
CD9Cervix = MLM CM = same
CD10Cervix = MLM CM = same
CD11Cervix = MLMS CM = kinda clumpy but very wet?
CD12Cervix = MMS CM = Post coital NA
I did a lot of my research on upping fertility by looking at studies of breeding sows, as they are very much like us. And in the hog industry larger litters are the gole. Sound crazy but that's where I decided to use the Isoflavones and found out about the Fenugreek tea.
Also Cassie Hutto posted this months ago in "Clomid and Soy Isoflavone used together". I had to look for it a good long time to repost it here.
Cassie this artical is very infomative but it had gotten barried and I didnt want it to go unnoticed. I hope you dont mind me reposting it.
Results: Concentrations of PRL, LH, and FSH were significantly increased with bright versus dim light exposure, as was follicle size (ANOVA, intervention × day, p = 0.0043, 0.014, 0.049, and 0.042, respectively). The number of ovulatory cycles increased after exposure to bright compared to dim light (12 versus 6 cycles, Wilcoxon tied p = 0.034).
Conclusions: Morning exposure to bright light in the follicular phase of the menstrual cycle stimulates the secretion of hypophyseal reproductive hormones, promotes ovary follicle growth, and increases ovulation rates in women with slightly lengthened menstrual cycles. This might be a promising method to overcome infertility.
And here's an interesting article on using Clomid and Soy together:
Taking Soy & Clomid together
My doctor has me taking 200mg of soy cd1-5 and then 150mg of clomid cd 5-9. I am taking the soy in the morning and the clomid in the evening, so that on cd 5 I will take 200mg of soy in the am and 150mg of clomid in the pm. I am to start OPK's on cd 12 at 10am. When I get a positive, I will go in for an ultrasound to check my lining and my follies, and then I will do an IUI at 12pm the following day, take another OPK that day before the IUI, and if it is positive still, then I will get one more IUI done the 24 hours after the first one.
My doctor actually explained it well by saying that the photoestrogens in the soy will be estrogenic and cause my lining to thicken to counteract the clomid's thinning, it will also give my eggs an estrogenic boost to ripening, so that I will O sooner, he also said that if we werent doing an IUI cycle the soy would be helpful in making alot of good quality EWCM.
OH BTW, my doc did do a small study with 200 women on 100mg of clomid 100 with soy and 100 without. All of the women had to have proven ovulation with clomid. Here were his results:
In the women taking clomid without/with soy
lining thickness : 7.5mm/11.3mm
average number of mature (20mm or larger)
average number of released follicles: 2/3
percent of women that ovulated (verified by ultrasound and progesterone blood testing): 87%/93%
average day of ovulation: 18/15
average level of serum progesterone 10 days after ovulation: 9.3/12.2
percent of ovulating women becoming pregnant with IUI over a course of three cycles (blood hcg levels >5): 43.6%/68.7%
percent of women that became pregnant that went on to give birth: 52.3%/89.7%
Good luck to you all I cant wait to hear about the Next set of twins, and ill keep you posted on our progress.